Two 3D films are fighting for space onÂ your neighborhood movie screen right now. I’ve seen both, and I’ve picked myÂ clear favorite. Both films feature fantastically imagined worlds of CGI, exhilaratingÂ mixtures of live action and special effects. One is based on a classic ofÂ children’s literature, and the other is (intentionally or unintentionally)Â based on “Dances With Wolves” and/or “Pocahontas.” JimÂ Cameron is a pioneer in the dubious achievement of performance capture. AnÂ unrivaled genius at self-promotion and expanding the frontiers of movieÂ technology, he’s managed to capture the hearts, minds, and dollars ofÂ moviegoers all over our planet. Tim Burton is an artist whose unlikely mediumÂ is mainstream feature films. While an exhibit of his work is currently onÂ display in New York City’s Museum of Modern Art, this visionaryÂ animator/illustrator-turned director is a dark and twisted soul, an acquiredÂ taste. So it’s “Avatar” versus “Alice.” Let the gamesÂ begin.
Tim Burton’s distinctly modern andÂ psychologically astute twist on “Alice in Wonderland” takes theÂ classic Disney heroine on a darker-hued ride in her return down under. NineteenÂ years old and on the precipice of a stifling adulthood, Alice willfully escapesÂ once more down the rabbit hole, leaving behind all societal conventions andÂ stultifying norms. Opting instead for a mad Underland/Wonderland, thisÂ grim-faced young woman faces her fears and tests her mettle, returning home aÂ changed person with a new sense of purpose.
The Defending Champion
James Cameron’s box officeÂ behemoth continues to rake in the cash and expand its Na’vi-obsessed fanbase.Â Nominated for every possible Academy Award and breaking every conceivable boxÂ office record, “Avatar” tells the familiar story of a soldierÂ traveling to a new world and falling in love with a native girl. Pandora is theÂ new world, Jake is the soldier boy, and Neytiri is the girl. The militaryÂ officer is the bad guy, and the greedy corporate thug in charge is even worse.Â They want what the Na’vi have — the valuable, rare, and hopelessly namedÂ Unobtanium. Fireworks ensue, and the soldier takes a stand with theÂ tree-huggers. And oh yeah. Jake’s an Avatar.
I saw “Avatar” on opening day.Â While I immediately recognized its extraordinary technical achievement, itÂ failed to work for me as drama. I found a lot of the spiritual stuff convolutedÂ and borderline stupid, and the conflicts and characters oversimplified. TheÂ dialogue was clumsy and witless, and I didn’t respond positively to the entireÂ motion-capture fever.Â I preferÂ human faces to computer-generated ones; there is nothing so expressive andÂ moving as the human face. To me, the film played like a giant video game. The actingÂ too was hit-and-miss. Jake’s accent migrated from Australia to the MidAtlanticÂ and back again. Perhaps so much attention was paid to motion-capture thatÂ performances went largely unsupervised.
Production designers clearly worked overtime comingÂ up with the wonders of Pandora, but the people on the screen were more impressed with it thanÂ I. I have some trouble seeing multiples onscreen without tuning out somehow.Â This phenomenon first occurred when I saw Peter Jackson’s “KingÂ Kong.” There were so many dinosaurs and waterfalls and cliffs that I feltÂ physically dizzy beholding them all; they lost their power to amaze andÂ enchant. Too much of a muchness. “Avatar” boasted some incrediblyÂ beautiful effects, but most were diluted by multiplying them. Battle sequencesÂ sacrificed geography and character for quantity, fast-cutting and explosiveÂ action. I had no idea who or what I was looking at a good deal of the time andÂ I simply ceased caring after a while. All those countless cliffs and detailedÂ flora and ridiculous fauna. The creatures were hopelessly and extravagantly over-designed — over-the-top GayÂ Pride Parade versions of imaginary creatures, boasting so many goofy designÂ elements (Feathers! Horns! Eight Eyes! Sharp Teeth! Multiple Sets of Legs!)Â that they had no impact at all. Not to mention the vestigial breasts sported byÂ the non- ammalian Na’vi women. By the end of the movie, I felt like my head hadÂ been stuck in a blender for a relentless few hours and I needed Advil and aÂ time-out.
Mia Wasikowska makes a charming and quirky Alice, aÂ pre-Raphaelite Grumpy Gwyneth Paltrow. I loved the costumes and the characterÂ design and the casting. I’d always wondered how Alice remained clothed in allÂ her drinking and eating and shrinking and growing, and the film answers thatÂ question brilliantly and inventively. I loved looking at every frame; Wonderland’s 3DÂ effects weren’t over the top or dizzying, and the effects stayed accessible andÂ lovely without calling undue attention to themselves. (That said, theÂ falling-down-the-rabbit-hole sequence was a bit murky and overlong; I’veÂ frequently dreamed that fall myself and fear that Burton fell a bit short ofÂ fulfilling my fondest hopes.)
I have learned to lower my own expectations going intoÂ any Tim Burton film. While I consider myself a devout (even rabid) fan of hisÂ work, I could (and occasionally do) quibble endlessly with most every storylineÂ or script he’s chosen to do. For him (and oddly enough as it happens, for me)Â narrative is the excuse for the exercise rather than its point. The message isÂ in the dazzling achievement of creating an alternate universe, usually a darklyÂ skewed place of jaw-dropping loveliness and invention. I was surprised then toÂ find such a blatant girl-empowering message underlying the romp, less surprisedÂ when I noticed Linda Woolverton’s writing credit; she had previously reimaginedÂ “Beauty and the Beast” for Disney as well as the more hamhandedlyÂ feminist “Mulan.” Disney makes strange bedfellows indeed. But BurtonÂ has a daughter, and all the cross-pollination makes a certain synergisticÂ sense…and Disney dollars. The framing devices of Alice’s trip down the rabbitÂ hole work surprisingly well; her dreams and adventures saved her from theÂ pitfalls of a very limited mid nineteenth-century life. I always wanted DorothyÂ to stay in Oz and marry the Scarecrow and I admit I wanted Alice to stay inÂ Underland with the Hatter, but setting sail for the Far East will do in aÂ pinch. At least she escaped a terrible and stultifying marriage. Hooray forÂ such madness.
There are shadows of Narnia and Tolkien too; Alice, ever theÂ dour and dutiful champion, walks in some mighty frequented footprints on herÂ quest, but the scale stays intimate and lovely. Her allies and familiars remainÂ within shouting distance and in peril themselves, performing acts of heroismÂ and daring without stealing her thunder. The actual battle scenes are aÂ pleasure, confined to a fantastic but small space. No endless cliffs andÂ battalions of nameless soldiers fighting the CGI hordes reaching someÂ infinite horizon to confuse and confound. Instead, Alice’s climactic battleÂ travels up one crumbling twisty flight of stone stairs overlooking the chessÂ board where a few hundred cards and chess pieces clash and clang. BurtonÂ establishes and maintains a clear geography, and that sense of space enhancesÂ the risk and dramatic tension, creating moments of true beauty as theÂ prophecy of the scroll comes to pass.
I confess I’d happily watch Johnny Depp read a phoneÂ book, but even accounting for my extreme prejudice, his performance as the MadÂ Hatter is the linchpin of the piece. He is its heart, its Scarecrow, its TinÂ Man. Acting through crazily tinted contacts and a crowning frizz of unfortunateÂ and unearthly ginger, Depp somehow manages to play a compelling leading man, aÂ romantic lead, and an action hero.Â Â (His promised triumphant Futterwacken is a dire misfire and hugeÂ disappointment, a limp noodle of a magical victory dance.)
The rest of the cast performs admirably enough. AnneÂ Hathaway Glindas it up as the White Queen, Crispin Glover plays the Knave ofÂ Hearts as elongated creepy courtier, and Helena Bonham Carter goes ghostly paleÂ once again, this time a vain and giant-noggined Red Queen. She’s delicious andÂ mordantly funny, and her decapitated head-filled moat provides enough nightmareÂ food to keep kiddie nightlights burning for a good long time. Matt Lucas playsÂ the Tweedles with a big CGI assist, and some of my very favorite British actorsÂ lend their vocal talents and considerable fizz to various Underland creaturesÂ — Stephen Fry as a singularly suave Cheshire Cat, Alan Rickman as all-knowingÂ Absalom the caterpillar, twitchy Michael Sheen as the White Rabbit, andÂ adorable Timothy Spall as Bayard. It thrilled me to see Geraldine James and TimÂ Pigott-Smith as a long-married couple; I first saw them in television’s epicÂ “Jewel In The Crown” many moons ago, and this onscreen reunionÂ provided a lovely little frisson of recognition.
I probably stand alone on this one…orÂ virtually alone. I really loved Tim Burton’s “Alice in Wonderland”Â and I really didn’t like “Avatar” very much at all. There comes aÂ point when making movie magic that the magic overwhelms the movie. InÂ “Alice,” the movie magic makes the movie. In it, artistry triumphsÂ over technology, and less is very decidedly more.
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Kravern and Brian.
My goodness. Step away from the keyboards and take a deep breath, both of you. There’s no need to get so personal. It’s just a movie. You’re both entitled to your opinions.
Apparently, my original post touched a nerve. I’m sorry if anything I said offended anyone.
Now, play nicely or I’ll have to send you to your rooms.
Oh, sidestepping and deflecting. Nice, novice at best, but nice indeed.
You were the first to cast a stone and make this a personal vendetta, don’t forget that.
No where did I say the movie Avatar was the best, I said it isn’t IDENTICAL to Pocahontas nor Dances with Wolves. Where you get that it means its the best movie ever is solely upon your biased opinion. At least the orginal poster admitted to been a bit biased.
Where as your post only garnered my attention when you assumed what my age and reading abilities entailed. You made it personal. Otherwise your whole opinion would have been just that, an opinion.
So I have to agree with your last statement, you are a “jerk”.
And no thank you, you should keep the milk and cookies for yourself.
You’re right. I’m wrong. I’m a jerk. What was I thinking. Avatar is the best film ever and anyone who raises any doubts about its veracity must be a bitter loser. There. Now calm down, get yourself some cookies and milk and go watch Glen Beck. Let him do the raging for you. You’ll feel better.
Lets see. In Pocahontas the “hero” goes back to England and leaves her behind, because he was wounded. And there was no real victory to be had, only that the captain was felled and the rest decided to leave on their own achord. So where is the similarity of it? Where?
Dances with Wolves… uhm… the character played by Costner also left the tribe… and at the end of it all the natives were all relocated. Doesn’t sound like a win win there either.
To say they are “in fact it sound exactly the same.” only proves that even though you may be older, or even read, you fail at comprehending what you see.
There will be similarities in all stories because they basically follow this pattern: Good versus Evil. Man versus Nature. Man versu supernatural. Man versus Man. etc etc. But to say that two stories are IDENTICAL must include the same environment, the EXACT same premise, the use of the same NAMES of characters. But then that would be plagarism no?
Its so wonderful to read people’s opposing views and how they defend it by bashing on a person’s age. What is next? Religion? Ethinicity? Gender? Pfft.
Cameron used the same technique on Titanic by casting Leo for the lead – cashing in on
the pre X-Box generation
I’m with this one. After all the hype with Avatar, I decided to see for myself and saw nothing.
When I saw Alice in Wonderland, I saw everything … I saw a bits and pieces of me in all the
characters and answered a lot of questions I had asked for so many years
Ah… people coming to a new world with their superior technology to reap the riches of the land and ship it back to where they come from for profit. A young handsome captain of the invaders is asked to reach out to the natives and goes native himself by falling in love with the princess of the natives (granddaughter of the ruler.) He faces a conflict, but love trumps all, and together they bridge the divide. Ah.. Pocahontas.. sounds familiar.. In fact is sounds exactly the same. Or maybe you don’t know the actual story of the Jamestown settlers and only saw the Disney animation. If you think Avatar is original you must be very young or not have read much. Or both.
Well it is difficult NOT to give credit to “Alice through the looking glass” and “Alice in Wonderland” when the name is almost identical in the movie by Tim Burton. Not only that, the character’s namesakes have been kept as well. So one would expect it to automatically give credit to the previous incarnations of Alice. Also I doubt it was meant that Tim Burton “stole” any ideas, it is more that he didnt bring anything really new to the plate… just a dark flair to things. A type of “what if” scenarios is what Tim really work off of.
“Avatar” isn’t borrowing elements from “Pocahontas” nor “Dances with Wolves”… they are universal elements that are found in those movies and all like them. But to give credit to them is like asking every single movie that involves a princess being rescued by her prince to give credit to “Sleeping Beauty”. It just doesnt work that way. That falls in the damsel in distress story archs. No way you can or should give credit to every story or movie before it. Its a known motif. Nothing more. Upon watching “Avatar” there where no indications that led me to think… “wow this is just like Pocahontas”… it didnt cross my mind at all. Unless of course there was a Navi named Pocahontas that I am unaware of.
Feminist. Sure. (FYI: There’s no such word as feministic.)
While it certainly operates as fantasy, I think Burton’s version of Alice presents some very “real” and relevant ideas, the empowerment of women most importantly. I don’t think it’s entirely fair or constructive to accuse an adaptation of using “stolen” ideas. Burton and his screenwriter legitimately appropriate familiar story elements and characters from both “Alice Through the Looking Glass” and “Alice in Wonderland” to tell their story.
On the other hand, “Avatar” failed to credit “Dances With Wolves” and “Pocahontas” as source material. Adaptation indeed.
I don’t see what would be amusing about you liking the theater. As I myself enjoy the theater and live shows. One of my favorites is Cats.
The difference in opinion that we seem to have here is similar to when photagraphy first came about in b&w then into color. Some feverishly believed that ONLY b&w photographs could capture the essence of whatever the photograph was of. Yet we see less and less b&w pictures, and we spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on higher resolution with more color palettes in today’s photographs… which then go to digital pictures… and throught this trek every photographers says they can capture the essence as well… even if it no longer is in b&w.
CGI is preety much going down that trek, that same path, and it too someday will be replaced with something else. Who knows.
I suppose in the end it is all revelant and the old line of “beauty in the eye of the beholder” seems appropriate here.
I think that your probably a feministic type of person. Obviously Alice in Wonderland focused on non realistic ways of life, and things that could never happen, plus focussed on the dreams of a witty girl like all fantasies do. Avatar had passion and a real idea. Not a stolen chopped up, horribly written version of a classic novel.
I am disapointed by every special effects blockbuster I watch so I usually avoid them. I LOVED Avatar. I usually hate CGI characters and even prefer puppets in movies to CGI. I was really impressed by the Avatar characters. Yes the story was simple and predictable but it didn’t matter to me; I thought there was enough original ideas peppered in to keep the movie interesting. I thought most of the animals were cool too although they didn’t move as nicely as the Navi. Ever see one of those nature shows on Discovery where they show some animal you’ve never seen before and you’re like- WTF? There’s some weird things on this planet too so I was able to suspend my disbelief.
I confess I’d happily watch Johnny Depp read a phone book, but even accounting for my extreme prejudice, his performance as the Mad Hatter is the linchpin of the piece. He is its heart, its Scarecrow, its Tin Man. Acting through crazily tinted contacts and a crowning frizz of unfortunate and unearthly ginger, Depp somehow manages to play a compelling leading man, a romantic lead, and an action hero.
I enjoyed Avatar. It was fun. But I understand Sherry. She is writing as a critic, and quite frankly Avatar is really dumb. I mean… UNOBTAINIUM? And the bad guys were so one dimensional. Cameron has style but he wouldn’t know subtle if it came up and hit him over the head. He tackles big human stories and issues but his characters are not real, as his issues are. He shoots like a master, but he writes like a film student.
I’m glad you find it “fun” to read that I prefer to watch human beings to watching computer generated images. I’m not alone in this preference surely. Perhaps you’ll be amused to discover that I happen to like theater as well and also actual conversation. I find the human face endlessly expressive and fascinating in a way that animation and video effects are not. I recognize and respect our right to differ on this crucial point and hope you’ll do likewise.
Also, Sen, I didn’t dislike “Avatar” because it showed humanity’s dark side. I disliked it because I found the script witless, hamhanded, and derivative and the action sequences tedious. Millions of others loved it, and I’m happy for them. I really am.
I tend to agree with you Sen, re your comments on how realistic/believable CGI is at displaying convincing emotion. I would disagree somewhat that people hate on Avatar (and Wall-E) because it displays us in a negatve light: I think the most positive comments have come from the fact that both films inherently DO show us in a negative light, a kind of moral compass in action, if you will, to try and ensure we as a species don’t go down that route.
Personally, I think the emotional content of the CGI “avatars” and creatures was pretty well dones, particularly some of the work done on Zoe Saldana’s character. I can understand WHY Sherry perhaps doesn’t appreciate it like you or I do, but that doesn’t mean her opinion on it is any less valid from a characterisation point of view.
On the subject of Tim Burton, I agree with you wholeheartedly: Burton needs to get away from simply darkening down classic stories and try something truly original again. I think his Batman Returns was the best of the four 90’s franchise films, and as close to the true nature of the character as was possible at the time. Otherwise, I’ve been consistently let-down by his films, from Sleepy Hollow, Planet of The Apes, Charlie & The Chocolate Factory and everything post-Edward Scissorhands, his last truly unique film. Since then, it’s all style over substance.
And if the dreadful marketing campaign for Alice in Wonderland is any indication, I’m going to be let down again.
Its always fun to read someone complain that CGI is not as a good as the real thing. That a human can have more expression than a replica ever can. But all of that is naught in reality. Expressions are but a part of how to convey feelings. Sometimes all it takes is the eyes, be it animal, human, or CGI.
Most people tend to hate on Avatar because frankly, like Wall-e, it shows a dark and dirty side to humanity. Though Wall-e didnt have this much drama ensued by critics. And he didnt even have lips and was able to convey feeling… if you were open to see it. Yet Wall-e did show us (humans) becoming slaves to technology and sloth. Something none of us want to admit. Same with Avatar which shows us a story that we are familiar with… greed. And perhaps thats why people dont like it, they dont like to be reminded of how much we take and how much we are self-centered. Someone said it was “dumbed down”… really? How so? How many “complex” ways can you demonstrate greed? Ah well.
As to Alice in Wonderland… it is Tim Burton, if you know his style… he offers nothing really new. Just takes an existing story and makes it darker. Its like when he did Batman Returns and everyone was in an uproar for his protrayal of the Penguin, yet loved his portrayal of Cat Woman. Can’t please everyone, and thats the thing, Tim Burton’s movies are not really for the masses. Much like Quentin, you either like it, or hate it.
James Cameron delivered a movie for the masses of course with a few that of course didnt care for it. Tim Burton delievered a movie for the hard core fans with a few more wanting another 3D experience thanks to the cotails of Avatar.
You do like to stir it up don’t you? Well, I have to agree. I think I liked Avatar more than you did but Alice is much more of a movie. Avatar more like a great theme park ride. Good stuff.
I’m with you on 3D. Yawn. Over it already.
I agree with your final verdict, Sherry. I STILL don’t get the hype over Avatar. I found it to have incredibly dull-witted script and visually it was more impressive as a video game than a feature film. I’m still convinced its target audience was 15 year boys–which apparently *IS* a good demographic to aim for. When looking for a worldwide audience, dumb your film down it make it visually impressive for the X-Box generation.
Not that Alice in Wonderland was perfect. I found it uneven, with some parts being as good as Burton gets…and other parts were Burton at his most boring. Depp was OK, but I preferred the Cheshire Cat, The Red Queen, The White Queen, The Red Knight, and the Caterpillar much more (in that order.)
As far as 3D goes, I’m already getting sick of it. I read somewhere there are some 60 movies to be released in the next several years in 3D. This seems an obvious push from Hollywood which has long cared more about visuals than solid scripts. 3D without a story is painful to watch. The new Toy Story looks to be the best of the upcoming bunch.
So we went to see Alice in Wonderland after school yesterday, and hung out in line with several Alices and a couple of White Rabbits… Fun crowd. Since I’ve been anticipating the making of this film for my entire life and with the highest expectations from Tim Burton, et al, it had plenty to live up to! Your review was spot on! Underland was fantastical and somehow still understated in a way that lent a sort of intimacy to the places and characters… Such a wonderfully charming film. I really enjoyed your smackdown and agree in every way. Maybe I liked Avatar a little more than you did, but we loved Alice!
Walt Disney clearly never watched the original Disney version on acid, then.
Well, somebody was going to have to say it.
Walt Disney didn’t even like the original Disney version much as a matter of fact.
So, you liked it then, Sherry?
There’s going to be backlash on the Smacking of the original Disney version of this story…. “how dare the modern update win?” et al… I can see it now.
Great review, well considered opinions, and once again, a great way of making your point. Top stuff.